It was inappropriate to teach that people should seek to receive priesthood ordinations outside of the ordained channels found within the Church, and that priesthood healings and ordinances should be practiced using a prescribed format and that they can be performed over the phone. Benson or whoever stated the proverbial straw that broke the marriages backs. One item I recognized in his new podcasts was something Stroud talked about in his original series, that the 144,000 talked about in the Book of Revelation were a group of men and women who used portals to move through time and space to gather the elect. And yet it is exactly the same thing they have done. Sample Page; ; I hope those in Mikes stake high council did not use any of the content in this doc as a basis for their ruling. As far as the gospel is concerned, were not supposed to be afraid of anything including deception. I first wrote about Mike Stroud in September 2017, several months after Id been introduced to his podcasts by a wardmember. Recent Arrests. by Trucker August 20th, 2021, 5:03 am, Post By Michael Rush. He said, "Undoubtedly angels often guard us from accidents and harm, from temptation and sin. With this we can rid ourselves of all fear and ridicule of others and have confidence that we are taking the right path. This seems to have made Stroud more comfortable speaking out again. Watch any religion that does not offer this connection fade into oblivion before your very eyes. I cant even wrap my head how he spun the unvaccinated into the covenant if death. Guilt. He is also an adviser with the National Diversity Coalition for Trump. Since this council, Ive seen abundant evidence of the existence of this fallen law. Michael B. Jordan Rented Out an Entire Aquarium for Valentine's Day Date with Lori Harvey! For discussing the Church, Gospel of Jesus Christ, Mormonism, etc. Specifically: an institution who makes such extraordinary claims about personal revelations would then regulate such claims.. That was her discernment and no more should have been needed. He can only offer death, Jesus is the only covenant that leads to life, and he will annul the death covenant, it will not succeed. This is where it can be hard to find a balance. This reminds me of the community of people who experience Near Death Experiences. I further testify that we truly glorify Him with love, patience, understanding, tolerance, compassion forsaking judgment, fear, guilt, hierarchies, comparison, competition, contention, and control. 2. The doc follows the same format. He mentioned a shift in tone and messaging from church leaders since Russell M. Nelson became president of the Church. As an adult convert, I took everything I was told enthusiastically and believed every word. You Asked, We Answered! This is the current definition of apostasy per the handbook: So, where are the stories in the scriptures of those who serve quietly in anonymity. And there are other examples from the past year. This is the word that I had NO IDEA what it meant until that year in Alaska! by ransomme August 21st, 2021, 12:12 am, Post I have a dear friend who started hearing voices and seeing people. In my experience it seems the overarching need/message is one of moral superiority and a need to achieve or get a manifestation of some sort that ultimately seems to serve to prove ones elect-ness as if that were the purpose of life. The lady did NOT come to Mike to ask if she had a Second Comforter experience. Beckoning Frontiers: Public and Personal Recollections. I do not know him at all, but I have learned a great deal from his teachings of the scriptures. .. His friends call him that or simply "B." But trying to tell "B's" story isn't easy. However, as Michael read on, he discovered a terrible truth. He was never under any threat of disciplinary action as far as I can tell, but priesthood leaders found several of his teachings inappropriate. To his credit, Stroud clearly identified those teachings in his final podcast, published November 5th. They were and they did. I worked in the SL temple, and I loved it, but my time with the Lord is more precious to me than that ever was. My response: What a political correctness faith we have become. Rush A Remnant Shall Return - Paperback & Audio Bundle $50 $29.99 Sale Michael B. From One of Many Excommunicated by WELS. Dont be afraid. His original analysis has been studied by students of the scriptures inover 130 countries worldwide, and is included in his first book -, The Curious Case of My Technicolored Genenome, Revelation - The Vision of John the Divine, Chapter 19 - The Pre-mortal Legacy of the House of Israel, Dana Coverstone Dream - Think Ezra's Eagle, Sharyl Attkisson - Astroturf and the Manipulation of the Modern Narrative. The 3 Eagle Head identification could have several different meanings, The 2 wings (Right and Left) identification, The Lion's timing of when it comes to "save the Saints", The deeper proof behind "Why Herbert Hoover". I would say all things in this world should only be considered by the guidance of the Spirit. False prophets, false Christs and false teachers would arise and deceive manyif it were possible, even the very elect. It seems like he worked really hard to avoid overt mention of the inappropriate teachings from his first series. Gifts come to me by the giver of a gift. The true believer will not hastily accept the lies about the pandemic or the cure but will stop and take a moment to consider what God says. David Whitmer believed Jesus Christ appeared to him in the form of a deer, for pitys sake! This website is designed to be a secure portal for interested parties to learn more about Michael's research, as well as providing more advantageous purchasing options This is a good place if you want to put an opt-in form or a scarcity countdown. On the other hand, there are also many in our faith who truly believe that the illusions of separation and comparison are a very real thing. Sounds like you agreed with some things I saidand some not or at least the terminology. Perry, James M., reporter, National Observer, "This Fella from Arizona", in Audubon, November 1981, pp. Many near death experiences when put into a book get embellished but I have no doubt he had some sort of experience to be able to express what he did. So Im going to love. Heres my take on that. There are tens of thousands of us all across the conservative movement. left the church with his family when they moved to Nebraska; George Thomas Kurian, American Studies Association. They were told that their willingness to give up their family to follow these deeper doctrines were just part of their Abrahamic test that would prepare them for their second comforter and becoming part of the 144,000. and MAKE NO MISTAKE this has nothing to do with President Nelsons push for us to receive Personal Revelation. I also have a husband that is very nervous that I listen to podcasts by people who are on the extreme edge. Fear is a tool of the adversary. There was also no reason to test the spirits as the author accuses. We cannot develop faith if we have fear. We accept him as a prophet because his story is in the scriptures instead of a current podcast. Dogma / Culture / Doctrine. Dont be afraid of being deceived. God gave unto Zion (his church) a weapon against this, personal revelation through the Gift of the Holy Ghost. Michael served a mission for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Chile, Osorno - where he loved both the people and the breathtaking landscapes. They will range over the earth, visit distant friends, and, for aught we know, the planets, and accomplish great feats; do that which will enhance our happiness, increase to us every enjoyment of life, and prepare us for celestial glory; but when we wake in the morning, it is all gone from us; we have forgotten it.. Instead, its based on separation and comparison in how their abilities measure up to the abilities of others. [56:02] There is in our day, and in the day to come, the formation of a rescue brigade. I really hope we can preserve it all together, because I think a huge part of the value of Mormonism is in our organizational strength and size and reach. I am much more impressed by the ignorant man who is filled with the love of God for the people around him, than the person who professes to know the secrets of Christ, and aspire to be worthy of the company of the former. This website is designed to be a secure portal for interested parties to learn more about Michael's research, as well as providing more advantageous purchasing options for his books and audio books. in Section 6.7.3 is a crime. This situation is not unique and at the end of the story, Bryson shared with us is a universal constant of the fallen world we live in. All you have to do just read what was actually said and the authors deception is right there. Thank you for this update on Mike Stroud. That means if you make a purchase from a link you click on, I might receive a small commission. DSC, I agree that the church has always dealt with apostasy from either side (its interesting to compare Malcom Jeppsens early 1990s bell curve of membership to the December 2015 Enemies Slide released by MormonLeaks things really havent changed all that much). Many of you might be familiar with this guy, he's the guy who's been quite prolific about the Ezra's Eagle prophecy. In a new Helps by Topic page, there is a link to False Revelation and Gospel Extremism. In that category, there are a couple scriptures, several talks by apostles, and even church history resources. I think his cognitive dissonance is almost to a breaking point. MR . Stroud has taught no false doctrines that I can discern. It is what it is, and nobody here knows what it is, but only what it seems to be, with the missing parts filled in by each person that cares to imagine the missing parts. Its what we all want. by | Feb 13, 2021 | Uncategorized | 0 comments. Still, this whole matter with Mike Stroud has been very disheartening. The problem is that the author does not know how the gospel is properly taught. Have you read A Course in Miracles? Maybe, Mike was a bit naive about this and in hindsight, it probably would have been better to not post the meeting on youtube. DSC the Church has changed over the years and the changes nearly always are mostly in the moderate/liberal/progressive direction. Your email address will not be published. And honestly, the elephant in the room is: I remember reading this recently (already had it marked) because I am studying Isaiah right now, and he has it completed backwards and is taking it out of context. Check Background Get Contact Info This Is Me - Edit It is only by the Spirit that I know that The Church of Jesus Christ or Latter-Day Saints is a true church or that Joseph Smith was a true Prophet or that The Book of Mormon is true or that Jesus is the Christ and His Atonement is real. I dont know why a person would think otherwise. To make a long story short, when things seemed hopeless, two events planted the feeling in my mind and the word was spoken. The book the Lord said in the Doctrine and Covenants had some problems. She was one of the most loved people in the class. Anything God wants you to know is either (1) already in scripture or (2) told direct to your mind. It should also be noted that opposition quickly mobilized when Stroud began his podcasts last November. And he got into some pretty crazy stuff. Here is how I believe it breaks down. Unfortunately, some Church members have viewed groups they considered to be Lamanites with condescension or contempt, (Lamanite Identity, Church History Topic), Mary Ann has blogged at Wheat and Tares since 2015. That is the only dominion that can bring about eternal life. Joel Rush, Marla Rush, Brandi Rush, Reanna Creech and Natalie Castleberry, and many others are family members and associates of Michael. Michael and Amy began their career in the San Francisco Bay Area working for Ernst & Young, and started raising their family of six children. I put it this way because too many people think that love is an action word, and for them perhaps it is. Seems like there must be more to the story. Michael is the the author of three books, A Remnant Shall Return, Daniel 11, and Revelation - The Vision of John the Divine. Mike Stroud: Replace it with righteous dominion? Michael B. i am pretty sure 3 is not likely. Judging a mans personal revelation to me is fruitless nonsense. The newly-confirmed couple was seen leaving the Caribbean island of St. Barts together after several days soaking up the sun. or obey a temporary local leader? This is the pattern of many who refuse to humble themselves when they ere. Rush has been a life long student of the scriptures. Public Transport Seville Airport To City, JR sorry you think my response is inadequate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWBwS6IL4Js&t=27s youtube.com The Father's Message to the latter-day Gentiles This video discusses a message that the Father commanded His Son Jesus Christ to share with the Nephites - which would be of great benefit to the Gentiles in. I think Brother Stroud left orbit some time ago. This is the bottom slider area. 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Its only when a person overtly undermines the stewardship of The Church and the proper pattern of authority, that it seems people actually run into trouble. If it isnt we might as well stay home on the Sabbath ,and watch the telly and drink beer. He taught this not only in his podcasts but to private groups of people that he mentored. Very good comments. Wise teachers like Jesus would never tell us to be afraid because it would directly limit our ability to grow in faith and love. I said, Who was it? She said, Why it was the Lord. I said, How do you know it was the Lord? She said, I just knew it was the Lord. And I said, Congratulations, youve had a Second Comforter experience. That by itself, of course, wouldnt make such an instruction appropriate, but it would authorize an excommunication for Mormon-speak apostacy. Visit Author Central to update your books, profile picture, and biography. This whole exchange and the podcast, disciplinary activities, uproar, etc paints a vivid picture of a great and spacious building filled with laughing, sneering, finger pointing believers. Correlation was a progressive change but may now be viewed as conservative. Without the illusion of separation, those whove had greater knowledge and gifts bestowed would not little need to hide them. And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things. There is a reason why Heavenly Father has given us this miraculous gift because there is small portions of truth found everywhere and absolute truth is only found in Christ. But as far as our spiritual eyes are concerned, there is no hierarchy. He gave an address at an end-times conference in Arizona last November on Accessing the Fullness of the Atonement of Jesus Christ through Personal Revelation. At the end of the presentation, he announced that he would be starting a new podcast series on the Book of Mormon, and the Lord wanted the podcasts translated into Spanish. They believe they can see evil that others cant. How many times over the last 25 years did I cringe when someone would quote Mormon Doctrine as fact instead of opinion. 4. And it the eyes of some, they may very well have pulled it off. One time I asked the Lord, Lord am I traveling at night? .And he said, yes. And I said, I dont know it. He said, I know. That was it. The iconic comedian is reprising his role as Prince Akeem in the highly anticipated follow-up, Coming 2 America, however, there was once an idea for a sequel to focus on Michael B. Jordan instead. I've never seen or heard of any of the Revelation/interpretation as he has stated from the Church or our Prophets. Yea, keep His law with all thy might by Trucker August 20th, 2021, 12:41 pm, Post And trust and hope wanes., Indeed they do, it does. If people knew how to get their own Personal Revelation they wouldnt need a charismatic teacher like Stroud who claimed doctrinal superiority to tell them how to understand the Book of Mormon. He thought his own wisdom was worth more than his membership in the Lords true church. First, Stroud got specific when describing a process to commune with heavenly beings. Mike Stroud may have bore testimony of the church and the Brethren in one breath but in the next he bore testimony of the fact that their job is only one of a preparatory role. Persist in teaching as Church doctrine information that is not Church doctrine after they have been corrected by their bishop or a higher authority. More to the point, though, its not at all clear to me that certain moderate/liberal/progressive changes should be made. My response: He even admitted he was obsessed with the idea of The Remnant. Churchistrue, Mike Stroud is very positive about many of the recent changes, including the temple changes and at-home study program. Separation is another illusion brought about by the fall. Taking heed of deception is not being afraid of deception. Nor is it any different from what i have heard lots of G As teach over the last 60 years. It only takes a little time to see the fruits of their labors, to recognize they are indeed proud, vain and foolish. If the answer is because moderating a position on something is more compatible with what the Savior taught, then absolutely I agree. ], Mary Ann i generally agree with your analysis . [I have seen no evidence that Mike Stroud has done this he has bent over backwards to indicate his public support of church leaders, both general and local.] But I knew the couples and knew there were strains and rifts and issues long before Pres. In June, she elaborated on the process of President Nelson writing impressions down on a yellow note pad and how she has been prompted at times to leave the room. On the other hand, if Mike actually was divinely inspired to share that podcast, then Ill stand corrected. The grandparents shared a pie with some local American Indian friends, and they were later given a crude type of pie in return. Michael B Rush 1947 Born c. 1947 Last Known Residence Dallas County, Texas Summary Michael B Rush of Dallas County, Texas was born c. 1947. If God offers gifts, are we supposed to disrespect the gift by refusing to seek after it? To what end? Alas, it is so widespread that to fill the roles in a typical ward one might have to dig into the barrel and choose some people that ought not to be chosen. Well I can say for those of us as lifers and close to retirement have all seen a culture change. [This is the most likely reason I can see, which is why I noted that hed previously been corrected on inappropriate doctrines and highlighted questionable teachings in his newer podcasts.] This to me is in direct opposition to living to truly love your neighbor and embodying Christ-like love in all our interactions with one another. Several people put together an open letter (a Google doc) citing new questionable teachings from his conference address onward. Lets see in the BOM alone we have Lehi witnessing a pillar of fire vision that left him exhausted; Nephi being taken up to a high miountain and shown the history of the world; Abinadi being prompted to call out the priests of King Noah at the risk of death; King Benjamin being visited by an angel, Alma the Youngers theophany that left him near death, not to mention those of Limhi and other Lamanite converts. I will tell you that as a former student of Hugh Nibley this is no different than what he use to say in his B of M class. This is the official page for Michael B. I really enjoyed the first piece you did on Stroud. Michael Mansour Rush, 69. Further episodes will be created solely for the benefit of his posterity, though other people may listen in if they want. Should they ignore the 5-7 years of hell and miraculous recovery they endured/obvserved trying to follow previous revelation that produced "good fruit", roll the dice, and basically tell the Lord, "I didn't learn a thing last time! RockiesGma describes Mike Strouds podcast correctly. Its separation that brings about other fallen concepts you pointed out like comparison, competition, contention. The items in the verse refer to tools, the line is a snap line to get things straight. But without love you wont probably care, and if you care, it is because of love. 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